SF to Las Vegas return west coast - Clockwise or Anti-Clockwise best?

[Southwest Dave]

The Grand canyon airport is located in Tusayan just outside the south entrance to the park, and the 45/50min flight over the National park to the North rim and back is a truly magnificent experience. Taking a stroll along the South rim and taking in the views and having the opportunity to witness a sunset/rise is also very special. As you appear to have the time available, do not miss this chance to see this natural wonder of the world, which can only truly be found within the National park itself.

[Lifemagician]

Online mapping programs do not live in the real world, and you are quite right in identifying that you will take quite a bit longer to cover any given distance. However, I would not limit myself to any given distance per day. You may find that some days you will barely do 100 miles, on others you might be in the car most of the day and cover up to 500. Just depends on how much there is along the way that you want to check out. Of course, on the interstates you will always travel at a greater speed than on the secondary highways and the local roads. Mostly you will find the speed limit to be at least 65 mph, at times greater, rarely less on an interstate.

Lifey

[Southwest Dave]

Just one thing that has occurred to me. When I check distances between places on Google Maps it gives me a "Driving Time" as well as the mileage and if you do the math, mostly this works out at an average driving speed of over 60 MPH ! As I understand it, the USA has a national speed limit of 55 MPH and I would reckon that on standard highways - like 1-15 and 66 - it would be difficult to average more than say 40 MPH whilst actually driving and with the inevitable stops to take photos, coffee and stop at attractions, I'm guessing that 150 - 200 miles a day is the maximum one should allow to make it a holiday rather than a chore. Would this be a good target to aim at.

Richard

You are right in thinking that on-line mapping programs are overly optimistic when it comes to travel times as they do not allow for construction or congestion delays, the need to stop for gas, go to the bathroom, eat, have a stretch and a short rest, and on longer journeys nor do they consider us humans have the need to sleep.

Having said that, no the USA does not have a National speed limit of 55mph [Rural Interstates are generally 70/75mph and Urban can be 55mph] and 150-200 miles would be a very casual day on the road. In fact we usually recommend [for those that want to/ think they can match the pace of the mapping programs] that a full day of travel on a multi day road trip should not exceed 550-600 when using main US routes, which would be about 9-10 hours on the road. Of course that would not include time for sight seeing, just the appropriate stops as set out above. This would mean that you could get from Santa B to GC village the same day, and although I wouldn't call driving this distance on US roads a "Chore", it would be more 'business' like. With one overnight stop on route, and driving from GC back to Vegas the same day, it should feel positively relaxed. Perhaps on the way you could stop overnight in Lake Havasu City, [now home to London Bridge] Laughlin or Kingman.

[Richard Knight]

This is really useful info - thanks everyone.
Now to re-draw the route - again!
Richard

[glc]

Santa Barbara to the Grand Canyon is going to be a bit of a stretch in 1 day. To avoid LA traffic, take US-101 toward LA, then take CA-126 to and into Santa Clarita, then Valencia Blvd and Soledad Canyon Rd to CA-14. Take that to the Sierra Hwy/Pearblossom Hwy which becomes CA-138 then CA-18 to I-15. Take that to Barstow and take I-40 to Williams and AZ-64 to the park. Depending on how far you want to drive that day, you can stop for the night in Barstow, Kingman, or Williams. Between Kingman and Seligman, you can either stay on I-40 or take old 66.

If you do want to spend the time to take the Angeles Crest (CA-2), when you get to Santa Clarita, take I-5 to I-210 to La Canada-Flintridge to pick it up. This will drop you on CA-138 which you can take to I-15. If you go that way, you will probably want to spend the night in Victorville or Barstow.

The national 55 mph speed limit was repealed quite a few years ago. The open road freeway speed limit is 70 in CA and 75 in AZ. The open road non-freeway limits vary from 55 to 65.

Add 20% to Google drive times to get a more realistic estimate, that would also allow for brief stops for fuel and bathroom.

[vtsutter]

Richard,

Thank you for your interest in California, it is a fantastic state. Here are some thoughts about your itinerary: If you are heading to Vegas from Santa Barbara you will hit the upper portion of the LA area. From Santa Barbara I would recommend you go thru Santa Clarita to Palmdale, Victorville and then Barstow. Barstow has a number of motels. I just recently stayed in the Holiday Inn and it was excellent. The best advice on hotels is go to Yahoo Maps and when you bring up the Barstow area, enter "motels" in the search window and then read the customer reviews. They are usually a good guide. Motel 6s are very uneven but usually ok for a place to rest and move on. Best Westerns are also good, but uneven. So check the customer comments.

Regarding Yosemite. I have noticed on other posts that people talk as if it is just a short jog off the main highway. It is not. From Vegas you can get there two ways: 1. The backside over Tioga pass from US 395. The pass is over 9,000 feet and you end up in Tuolumne Meadows, which is still about 30 windy miles away from Yosemite valley, which is where all the beautiful falls are located. 2. Or you can cross the Sierras at Tehachapi Pass and go north on US 99 to Merced and enter the part from the West. Then it is 80 windy miles to the Valley. Either way, from Vegas, Yosemite will be a very long day. I would recommend you stay in the Park to enjoy its beauty. And it is beautiful.

To get from Yosemite to Lake Tahoe you need to either exit east, back over Tioga or west, back down to Merced. There is no other way. US 395 north is a beautiful drive up the Eastern Slope of the Sierras. US 99 is called the Aggie Highway because it goes through California's most productive farming regions, however the views aren't that great. From US 99 you would take US 50 to South Lake Tahoe, one of the most beautiful areas in the world. The view from Echo Summit is spectacular. From South Lake Tahoe you can drive around the lake and pick up Interstate 80 at Truckee and go over Donner Pass back to San Francisco.

A recommended place to stay at Tahoe is The Ridge Tahoe. The views are amazing and the prices are reasonable for a small hotel room.

Hope you enjoy California,

Val Sutter, Sacramento, CA

[glc]

There is no other way.

There are several other ways that don't require you to go all the way back out to Merced and up 99 to Sacto. You can take 120 out of the park to 108 to Jamestown - and take 108 over Sonora Pass, or take 49 to either 4 (Ebbetts Pass) or to 88 (Carson Pass) or to 50.

[Southwest Dave]

Thanks for your input Val, it's much appreciated.

Originally posted by vtsutter.Regarding Yosemite. I have noticed on other posts that people talk as if it is just a short jog off the main highway

Interesting that you have found posts that make you think that. Just about everyone that plans to travel from Vegas to Yosemite in a single day is advised time and time again not to do so, and that there should be at least one overnight stop to allow plenty of time for taking in the views over Tioga Pass .

[Lifemagician]

There is so much more to see between LV and Yosemite. As mentioned above, it would be a shame to just speed run up 395. Take some time to smell the roses (well, maybe not roses - lol). If you were to drive through Death Valley, it would in my book be a sin to just speed through there, and not take time to admire the fantastic landscape.

Lifey

[Richard Knight]

Hi Val
Many thanks for this full answer. The current "draft" route allowed for two overnight stops for Yosemite, either stopping in the Mono Lake area and travelling into Yosemite and back for a full day or even better, staying for two nights in the park itself. The route to Lake Tahoe is to use the East side of the Sierras along US 395 and its good to know this is a very scenic drive. We were also planning to take two days from Las Vagas to Yosemite, probably stopping in the Lone Pine area on-route because then we could take time to explore Death Valley and some of the wilderness parks along the way.

RE Lake Tahoe, From South Lake is it best to use the Eastern side (on the "50" or the West side (on the "89") to get to Truckee?

All the best

Richard