I apologize for being so negative. I reread Dawnv's post. It just seems that Dawn et al is overwhelmed on a good day at home. Roadtripping is a wonderful experience but can be very trying. I wonder if a few shorter less aggressive trips to "learn the ropes" might be a good idea. Three kids, two of whom argue all the time and four adults one of whom is disabled begs a trial trip to work out some of the issues. All that being said, I appoligize for being negative.