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  1. #11
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    Default and... drop the nose and INCREASE THE POWER

    George,

    Of course, it would be a rapid climb... That was my point, an aircraft that suddenly loses 25,000 pounds of ballast would rise rapidly and correspondingly lose lift (which could cause it to stall and "fall out of the sky.")

    Further the challenges of keeping such a bird aloft in a canyon, filled with wildfire smoke and in the midst of swirling and dangerous winds can be quite significant. What actually happens to both fixed wing and helitankers is an immediate need to drop the nose and INCREASE THE POWER to maintain control and keep the helitanker in the air. Followed by an immediate need (in most cases) to immediately climb to avoid smashing into the mountain ridge dead in front of them.

    And this flight action is further complicated by the need to hit the flames they are aiming at. Quite often I have seen pilots drop the nose drastically seconds before a payload release so that they can aim the drop at specific flareups as the helitanker pulls out of the dive.

    Mark

  2. #12
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    Yes, according to my neighbor (another CalFire guy, a firefighter), Cal Fire has police officers on site.


    Donna

  3. #13
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    Default June 15

    Quote Originally Posted by Southwest Dave View Post
    Due to the Corona virus pandemic we have decided to skip this years Winter closing contest as it seems the Tioga pass was never truly open. The road is only open to those with visitor permits to enter the park and as of now, it has not been officially declared open at all this year. The last official notification about the status of Tioga pass was for the closure on 19th November 2019.
    I hate to disagree with the sheriff, but it seems pretty clear that NPS declared the pass to be open on June 15th. The CalTrans site also lists June 15 as the opening date.

    Yes, reservations have been required, but that's required for any and all entry into the park. I also think they may have changed the formatting of the website, moving the historic closing dates to its own page, so perhaps that why you're not seeing any notifications since last November?

    It also looks like Yosemite will end the reservation requirement on November 1st.

    Since the pass is open, I'd say there will at some point be a closing date and there still is the opportunity for prognostication.....

  4. #14
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    Default Yeah it kinda sucks.

    Hey Michael.

    Yes we did call June 15th in the last comp but it wasn't added to the Historic opening and closing page which is normally our 'Go to' for confirmation. Even though the pass is open, rightly or wrongly we felt it wasn't in the 'True sense' of a normal Roadtrip season for which the competition is designed, plus the uncertainty of whether the Pandemic would close it before the weather. In delaying a decision to run the Comp (plus real world distractions that put it to the back of my mind) I got to the point that starting the Comp this late on would have meant the pass could actually close before the minimum 15 day rule applied. (In truth I just wish I'd posted it up back in early September)

    For a bit of fun, if anyone feels like predicting a date just post it up !

    Dave.

  5. #15
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    No doubt this is an unusual year, and it is hard to say how the pandemic will impact the closing - although the fact that they are ending the reservation system on 11/1 does make it seem like that's less likely to be a factor.

    The bigger thing is that it appears the NPS has changed the way it reports the closing/opening dates, even noting that the information has moved - so if you're waiting for the Historical Page to be updated as your only "official" source, then you might have to wait until the following year every year!

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