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We will be driving MH from AZ to Wis summer of 2012. The trip there will be direct, but on the return trip we want to take our time and see some places we have not been. Would like to show the kids Mt Rushmore, Yellowstone, any other suggestions? Preferred route? Preferred stops along the way? We will have our 4 youngest with us, 11, 9, 6, and 3. We will take about a week or so on way back, so not an extended amount of time to zig zag. Highlights would be great. Thanks!
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I'm estimating this route to be about 2700 miles of driving, or a bit under 400 miles per day. That's going from central Arizona, north to Yellowstone, then east to Mount Rushmore and along the Interstates back to Wisconsin.
Along the general route are Zion, Bryce Canyon, and Devils Tower National Monument, as well as Salt Lake City and the Missouri River.
Tell us a bit more about yourselves - what are the types of things that interest you and your family? Is this your first venture out in a motorhome, or are you seasoned veterans? Are there any things that you prefer to avoid (besides traffic)?
A week really isn't very much time to really add anything to the stops you've already listed. The detour to Yellowstone means you're looking at a full 5 days of driving to get back. Yellowstone is a huge place where even 2 days is barely enough time to scratch the surface.
Of course there are a ton of places you could see, in addition to what Tim mentioned, the Grand Canyon, Monument Valley, Arches, Grand Tetons, the Badlands are all among the possibilities (and there's tons more), but with just a week, you won't have a whole lot of time. You might consider simply focusing your time on the 4 corners states instead, which would save you a couple of days worth of driving, and give you much more time to see, explore, and let the kids have fun. Yellowstone and the Black Hills are both fantastic places, but you could be better served by saving them for a trip when you'd have more time to explore them.
We are planning a family trip, going direct from Phoenix to Milwaukee, via quickest route (1818 miles - NM, Tx, OK) then more scenic route on return trip and going to Mt Rushmore, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, Grand Canyon. Any input on favorite stops along either route, and suggestions would be great. We have large family, including 4 young children between 10 and 2.
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Just learning how to find my previous posts! Sorry for duplicate. Yes, we understand that a week return trip does not leave us with alot of time at any one stop. We can extend for a couple days, but thinking it might be best to make Yellowstone and Grand Teton a trip on its own, and concentrate on Badlands, Mt Rushmore, then down to AZ and Grand Canyon, Etc.
We are experienced weekend trippers, who have trailored for a number of years. We upgraded to a Class C, so this will be our first extensive trip, back to Midwest to see family, etc.
Thanks for input. We will be doing this route on return trip, trip to Wis will be via most direct route. We are experienced travel trailer - weekend and week long trips, but have upgraded to a Class C. This will be our first extensive trip across the country. Avoid - large metro areas and traffic, and big on interstates rather than smaller passes in mountain areas.
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Just learning how to find my previous posts! Sorry for duplicate.
That's certainly a possibility, but I think what Michael was referring to above was to make a seperate trip another day for the more Northerly section and perhaps concentrate on the Four corners region, to save miles with your limited time. Perhaps through RMNP in Colorado to Southern Utah and Arches/Canyonlands NP's and maybe down through Monument Valley to GC. Although with an extra couple of days on the way back, you could incorporate all the above and head to Badlands and Mt Rushmore as well. In a class 'C' that would equate to about 5 days of driving for 8 hours or so per day, with a bit of time out the vehicle to stretch the legs and let the Kid's let off steam, get some food and fill with gas etc. It's at what pace you and the Kid's are comfortable with, but it's always nice to have a day or 2 off from driving 'here' and 'there' to enjoy the surroundings and unwind.Quote:
We can extend for a couple days, but thinking it might be best to make Yellowstone and Grand Teton a trip on its own, and concentrate on Badlands, Mt Rushmore, then down to AZ and Grand Canyon, Etc.
With that in mind I would also allow a minimum of 4 days for the 'direct' outward journey. Have a good look around the forums and road trip planning pages with a good map to hand and see what you come up with.
Once you have some dots on the map for sure, we can help 'Fine tune' the detail. Let the Kid's join in the planning and get them excited about it. If they have a vested interest in the trip, it will be more fun for the whole family !
Great advise.
We have sat down and mapped the first part of the trip, from Phoenix to Madison WI. We tentatively plan to stay first night in Albuqurque, NM, Second night in Joplin, MO and third night in southern Wis. Any further advise on that leg would be appreciated. Might want to add another day in so kids dont get worn out? Kids are excited, but two oldest will not be with us, and two middle will be flying earlier to see grandparents, but will be travelling back with us. So drive to Wis we will have 3 year old and 6 year old only.
Return: (kids 15, 11, 9, 6, 3)
First night - Sioux Falls SD (jellystone), second and third nights - Hill City SD (Rafter J), F Fourth night - Rawlins Wy (Rawlins KOA) Fifth night - Canyonlands - Moab UT. 6th and 7th nights Williams AZ (Grand Canyon Railway RV - take train trip into Grand Canyon). 8th day - drive to Phx. We will spend some time in Badlands and Mt Rushmore, then Canyonlands and then Grand Canyon. Any further advise?
We will do a separate trip - different time to yellowstone.
Albuquerque to Joplin is far too much in one leg, especially with the young ones. That would equate to almost 15 hours on the road with the appropriate rest stops. You could get further on day 1, say Santa Rosa area maybe, but even then you should only expect to be in the Tulsa OK area for night 2. You would then be looking at Springfield/ Bloomington IL for the next night before finishing the journey. That's if you wanted to go through Joplin etc as per your route for a particular reason. From Santa Rosa you could head through Kansas which is slightly quicker according to my mapping. Stops from Santa R would be around Emporia KS and Dubuque IA.
Coming home looks quite reasonable. Moab [Canyonlands/Arches] looks a little time crunched when you consider travel time to get there and then the time to get to GC/Williams. An extra night here would of been beneficial IMO.
I can undestand the attraction of the Grand canyon train [although I bet that will be expensive for all] but I would consider booking a night in Mather campground in the GC NP.
I am intimately familiar with your proposed route - I live in Joplin and travel to both the west coast and Chicago frequently. The only leg even remotely doable in one day is the one from Phoenix to Albuquerque (465 miles), especially in a RV with 2 young children. ABQ to Joplin (765 miles) and Joplin to Madison (645 miles) aren't even what I'd try to do in a car in one day unless I had a time-critical emergency.
I would plan on 4 days - with overnights in ABQ, somewhere between Amarillo and OKC, and around Rolla MO. This gives you approximately 450 mile legs. If everyone is feeling okay, you could stretch the second day to OKC and the 3rd day to STL. If you do that, I'd advise you get through the city before stopping so you won't be directly fighting inbound rush hour traffic in the morning.
Which side of Madison are you heading towards? It sounds a bit odd to break down an 1800 mile into something as small as the specific address, but where you're going in Madison might impact which way I'd go. If you're heading to the east side, then I'd continue on as you've planned via St. Louis, but if you're heading to the west side, I'd look at a way where you'd head up through Kansas City and Iowa.
I agree with the above posters that it is really pushing things to try to do 1800+ miles in 3 days in an RV with young kids. If you are going to try, then you certainly need to get farther than Albuquerque your first day. I'd say Tucumcari NM would be the minimum distance you need to get on the first day for the rest of your trip to be even possible. I'd also be looking about halfway between Joplin and Springfield MO for night 2. Again, I would think you will be much better off giving yourself at least another half day, but if you are going to do it, you need to keep the day even - which will likely be 13-14 hours a day in an RV. Doing a 700+ mile day will suck all the fun out of your trip, and even your more relaxed trip home could be affected by the bad memories.
Your trip back, Personally, I'd much rather stay in State and National Parks than the virtual parking lots with pools that you'll find at many KOA's and Jellystones. For example, Palasades State Park is not far from I-90 near Sioux Falls, and Custer State Park in the Black Hills is could be its own National Park that's not far from Mt. Rushmore and other area attractions.
Great feedback. I recommissioned our trip out - to go through Albuqurque, Wichita, Cedar Rapids, Or Santa Rosa, Emporia, KS, Dubuque, IA then Wis. I appreciate the feedback, I dont want to push too hard on way out to Wis. Stops along the way would be appreciated!
Way back we are adding a day between Rawlins and Canyonlands.
I was only listing Madison as a point of destination. We actually are either headed to Castle Rock Lake area, or Milwaukee, dependent upon which family we visit first. I do know the Wis area well enough to be able to revise our trip plan around the Wis piece. You bring up a great point of West (through Iowa) or East (St Louis route). We will finalize this but assume we are headed to Castle Rock area first.
Interestingly, while Madison is roughly halfway between your two destinations, it actually would not be on the direct route to either of them!
If you're going to Castle Rock (I'm assuming you're talking about the one just north of the Dells) first, then it would be quicker to go up to Iowa, but then from Des Moines head north on I-35 to I-90 via Albert Lea and LaCrosse. That would actually save you about 50 miles vs going via Madison.
If you end up going to Milwaukee first, then you'd want to take the St. Louis route, but you'd take I-43 once you cross the Wisconsin state line. That would also save about 50 miles vs going to Madison.
If you want to make this trip in 3 days, then keeping the miles as short as possible is essential. Also, if you are planning to head back to through South Dakota, it would be more efficient and avoid a bunch of backtracking to go to Milwaukee first, but we all know that planning a trip around family doesn't always mean efficient!
Yes, you are absolutely correct. We will be heading to MKE first, if at all possible, then leaving via Castle Rock - I 90. As long as family cooperates! So we will plan the trip around St Louis route. I will redo the stops on that route. Thanks for input!
I was inputting Madison as a central location in Wis, figuring since we are from Wis, I can work our route dependent upon which part of state we will be going to. We actually will never need to be in Madison!
We are getting close to leaving, and having second thoughts. I have mapped the route from Gilbert AZ to Adams WI, some services take us through Denver, some through Albuquerque..... I had planned Albuquerque to 54 Wichita to KC to Des Moines. Question... is Hwy 54 a good route for a motor home with kids, or should I be looking at less direct interstate travel. How much of 54 is two lanes? Please post your ideas. Or just ask this question - what is the most direct, 4 lane route to Wisconsin from Arizona?
So you're going to Adams first, now, and not Milwaukee?
54 is the shorter route, but it is almost exclusively 2 lanes. If you want to stick completely to freeways, then your best bet would be to continue to OKC before heading north. Going via OKC is about 30 miles shorter than going via Denver.
Taking 54 saves you about 70 miles, so the distance saved should make up for the slower travel speeds, slowdowns of taking that route. It could also save you a bit on gas. However, if you want ease of driving, then I'd stick to the Interstates.
I wouldn't take 54, I just took it from Tucumcari to Wichita back in February. It's almost exclusively 2 lane till you get near Wichita, it can be very windy and dusty out there, the stretch through Texas is rough and in bad need of repaving, and the stretch through Oklahoma is wall to wall speed traps where they pull you for 3 over the limit. Done it once, don't want to do it again, and I have a warning ticket to show for it too. I spent a night in Liberal KS, and that's also something where once is enough.
There are enough towns along that route where any apparent time savings are going to be negated and then some. The only reason to go that way is to save on gas.
My software says the fastest route is I-40/I-35/I-90, and it's usually pretty accurate. According to the software, you can save 98 miles but it will take 20 minutes longer by using US-54.
Mapping through good sam took me up i25 through colorado springs, but with the wildfires, I am going to stick with i40/i35/190. Yes, going to adams first, then couple days in mke, then couple days up in appleton. then headed out through minn and sd!
I-25 would add 30 miles and 20 minutes.