Las Vegas to Yosemite via Death Valley

Hi,

We're arriving in Las Vegas on the 2nd of April and I'm having a little trouble sorting out a particular leg of our journey.

We're driving from Las Vegas through Death valley and then staying overnight at a Lone Pine on highway 395 (this is changeable if it doesnt fit with the plan!

Now here is where it gets tricky...

What is the best route (most likely to be open, do able in a one day, and scenic) from here to Yosemite.

I think there are two options:

1. Go north on the 395, past Yosemite, further north, so "going up, around and above it" via Carson Pass on route 88 then via Jackson south on the 49 and meet the 120 to go in to yosemite Valley.

Or

2. Go south on the 395 and then cut across west from Ridgecrest to Bakersfield on the 178 and then north on the 99 via Fresno and then the 41 into Yosemite from the south.


I need help to figure out which is realistic to do in a day and then secondly scenic and enjoyable.

I hope you can help!

Ssamiraa

I've been reading the posts on the forum, since i posted 30 or ss minutes ago, and my goodness, how popoular is this route and secondly, I've made so many more notes just by reading other posts...

Thank you everyone! What a great website!

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Originally Posted by ssamiraa

We're driving from Las Vegas through Death valley

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Welcome to the Great American RoadTrip Forum! Until you get here and see what the weather is like -- you really won't have a definitive choice of routes. There are way too many variables. I think you have seen some of these posts, but be sure to look at the second post in this thread for links to commentary about this route AND look at the bottom of this page!

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and then staying overnight at a Lone Pine on highway 395 (this is changeable if it doesnt fit with the plan!

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If one of the Sierra Passes is open and you do go north from Death Valley -- I would stay at Bishop --bigger town, great bakery, wonderful murals and friendly people.

It has been a very dry winter and it is even possible that Tioga Pass (into Yosemite could be open -- extremely unlikely -- see this poll....) but the first pass you ought to consider is Sonora Pass (not Carson pass) It is the closest pass to Yosemite and even though the state claims that it is not plowed -- it is kept open much of the winter.

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via Carson Pass on route 88 then via Jackson south on the 49

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While it is true that Carson Pass is usually kept open, if you go that far north, you might as well just keep going north over Luther Pass and take US-50 (which is open 95% of the winter) west to CA-49 at Placerville and then down to Yosemite.

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2. Go south on the 395 and then cut across west from Ridgecrest to Bakersfield on the 178 and then north on the 99 via Fresno and then the 41 into Yosemite from the south.

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This would be the faster route, and you could stay overnight at Lake Isabella or Kernville. The absolute fastest route is US-385 to CA-14 to CA-58 to CA-99 to CA-41 to the Park. All of these routes are scenic and fun.

Mark

Hi Mark,

Thank you so much for all the detail in your reply. It's really appreciated!
I've been on this website for most of this afternoon, and had a look at the links you'd recommended too - i must have read your mind!

One thing I did read, i think one of the posters recomended it, was that if we go to Yosemite from the south via Ridgecrest and Bakersfield, we could take a small diversion and drive through the Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks. This really appeals- I checked it out on Yahoo Maps and it says its about a 12 hour drive.

I have a real dilemma on my hands if both are feasible for a day's driving. As the Sierra passes and this route through Sequoia and Kings Canyon both really appeal!

So any recommendations would be very welcome.

Thanks again for the help Mark

Ssamiraa

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Originally Posted by ssamiraa

One thing I did read, i think one of the posters recomended it, was that if we go to Yosemite from the south via Ridgecrest and Bakersfield, we could take a small diversion and drive through the Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks. This really appeals- I checked it out on Yahoo Maps and it says its about a 12 hour drive.

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It is really too long a day to make sense. Here is a post that addresses these issues (be sure to scroll down to about the 5th or 6th post) and here is a field report that covers this area. Another option, is to take the southern most trans-Sierra Pass -- Sherman Pass Road -- but again, I don't think it will be open and it would be way, way, too long a day. Although I have done it twice ...from Las Vegas to Sequoia....

Mark

HI Mark,

Thanks for the advice and info, I think, its defintelly "a wait and see" scenario as the weather is so so important and changleable but at least i know which options I have either way.

thanks again!
SSamiraa

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Originally Posted by ssamiraa

...but at least i know which options I have either way.

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The best part about roadtrips, for me, is that they are ultimately open to change. I hope you let us know what you discover out there!

Mark

Mark, and others - I live on the East Side of the Sierra and keep close track of the passes....
Even though there hasn't been much snow down low this winter, there has been a lot up high. CalTrans will not even think about opening any of the passes until at least May 1 - and then they might tackle Sonora. Don't count on Tioga until Memorial Weekend - not only does it need plowing, but the NPS budget has to allow for posting Rangers up there, and they always drag their feet doing that. Memorial weekend is a definite possibility though.
As for Sherman Pass - that pass is not plowed by anyone. Right now there is a bunch of snow on the north - shady- side of the pass and I wouldn't count on it being open much before Memorial Weekend.

And - Sherman Pass road is definitely NOT the quickest way to get to Sequoia National Park! It looks good on a map, but it is wiggly, up and down, and definitely NOT a shortcut. It would take one all day to go from the Owens Valley over Sherman, down into Johnsondale, and up over Camp Nelson, down to Porterville, and up to Sequoia NP.

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Originally Posted by jwest

Mark, and others - I live on the East Side of the Sierra and keep close track of the passes....

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Always great to have locals intel -- Welcome to the Great American RoadTrip Forum! I have been over all of the Sierra Passes a couple of times in the last 18 months. I did five of them in one day last October (zig-zagging my way from east to west, starting with Carson and ending with Monitor that afternoon -- Ebbetts remains my all-time favorite pass in summer. I actually prefer Sonora as the first spring pass each year -- that snow chute at the top is amazing!

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Even though there hasn't been much snow down low this winter, there has been a lot up high. CalTrans will not even think about opening any of the passes until at least May 1 - and then they might tackle Sonora.

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One of our contributors lives on base of the pass on the west side and he gets up there pretty regularily -- even when Caltrans reports the pass is closed. I have been over the pass twice when the road was officially still closed (the gates were open).

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Don't count on Tioga until Memorial Weekend - not only does it need plowing, but the NPS budget has to allow for posting Rangers up there, and they always drag their feet doing that. Memorial weekend is a definite possibility though.

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We will just have to see this year -- Snow pack reports are not encouraging in some respects.

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As for Sherman Pass - that pass is not plowed by anyone.

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Well, not officially, but residents up at Kennedy Meadows have been known to "scrape" a little bit from time to time.

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Right now there is a bunch of snow on the north - shady- side of the pass and I wouldn't count on it being open much before Memorial Weekend.

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You could be right -- I drove most of the way last year -- a week earlier and it was OK -- this year, is much drier along the entire range.

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And - Sherman Pass road is definitely NOT the quickest way to get to Sequoia National Park! It looks good on a map, but it is wiggly, up and down, and definitely NOT a shortcut.

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No one here has ever suggested that it is a short-cut -- but it is an extraordinary glimpse into the southern Sierra high country.

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It would take one all day to go from the Owens Valley over Sherman, down into Johnsondale, and up over Camp Nelson, down to Porterville, and up to Sequoia NP.

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Absolutely. And our recommendation is to stay overnight at McNallys Fairview Lodge -- grab a couple of steaks and listen to the Kern River all night.

One of the articles, I am working on will present some ideas and tips for using all nine of the Sierra Nevada Mountain crossings. Do you have some more tips that I could incorporate into that article?

Mark

You are using "the Sherman Pass Road" to include things west of the Kern River - over there it is "the Western Divide Highway" ( Hwy 190 to Camp Nelson), or the California Hot Springs road. The Sherman Pass Road part starts at the Kern River and goes over Sherman Pass and down 9 Mile Canyon. The only folks who try to plow it are loggers who are anxious to get to their timber. The Kennedy Meadows folks don't... honest!

The road down the Kern River is M99, and is usually just called the upper Kern River Road, or the Johnsondale Road... no maps have the correct markings, so it's important to try to keep them straight. :-)

There is a nice new Motel along the Kern River road - before you get to McNally's, but they don't have a restaurant. There is nothing as good as a McNally's steak!!

[update: 09-19-07: Terry Anderson, the host of McNally's writes: If you have Winter travelers interested the restuarant is closed after Thanksgiving but our rooms and cabins are open year round.]

I've found that CalTrans is quick to post when the passes open - call 800 427-7623, or look them up on-line. And now on 395 there are solar-powered signs listing Tioga (as Yosemite), Sonora, and Monitor Passes- open/closed. They're pretty accurate.

remember that Sequoia National Park and Giant Sequoia National Monument are quite different animals - both have big trees, but the biggest ones are around the General Sherman Tree in SNP. 39 ft. in diameter!!
However, I love to visit Trail of 100 Giants in GSNP on Hwy 190, just 2 miles west of the California Hot Springs-Johnsondale road. Nice paved trail does indeed pass over 100 trees which are over 10 feet in diameter, and 3 which are 20 ft. in diameter. There's even one you can go into (actually, it's 3 trees grown together, as Sequoias can do). Great place to stop along Hwy 190, and the closest big trees to the Owens Valley.

Folks are always coming into Kennedy Meadows asking where Sequoia trees are, because it is Sequoia National Forest, isn't it!?! Well, yes, but there are no sequoia trees east of the north fork of the Kern River - ie. the Kern Plateau/Kennedy Meadows/Sherman Pass road. However, with persistance, you can keep going over Sherman Pass, down to the Johnsondale Bridge, up 7 more miles to Hwy 190, turn north 2 miles to Trail of 100 Giants. From there, it's another 2 hrs. down to Camp Nelson - the road passes several groves, but they are not marked nor is it easy to get to them.
So - if folks are in the Owens Valley area, they can get to large (20 ft) Sequoia trees in 2 hrs. but it's not the National Park. (there is a lot of logging in GSNM) And the roads are very, very wiggly!!

The Kern Plateau is a wonderful area to explore, camp in, hike from, etc. 3 Wilderness areas - Dome Lands, Southern Sierra, Golden Trout. PCT trail goes through. Best fishing around in the Kern River and Fish Creek. !! Most folks just drive through and miss the pretty meadows and grand vistas! 22 meadows (not counting Kennedy) with flowers, and all are available for primitive camping.

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Originally Posted by jwest

You are using "the Sherman Pass Road" to include things west of the Kern River - over there it is "the Western Divide Highway" ( Hwy 190 to Camp Nelson), or the California Hot Springs road.

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You are, of course, correct -- so I use "Sherman Pass Road" as a generic name -- it is actually nearly impossible to find street names when traveling along some of the sections -- especially since much of the signs were never replaced after the most recent wildfire on the west side of Sherman Pass.

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The Kennedy Meadows folks don't... honest!

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Let's say, I have seen alternative evidence from time to time.

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There is a nice new Motel along the Kern River road - before you get to McNally's,

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What is the name of it and when did it open? I was just there a couple of months ago. I actually like patio cabins owned by Dick and Louise Whitworth (closer to town) (Whispering Pines)

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And now on 395 there are solar-powered signs listing Tioga (as Yosemite), Sonora, and Monitor Passes- open/closed. They're pretty accurate.

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The last two times I went over Sonora -- those solar-powered signs on US-395 were still indicating that Sonora was closed. I always check the gate -- no matter what and have found it to open -- no matter what was on the official CALTrans site.

Mark

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Originally Posted by jwest

Folks are always coming into Kennedy Meadows asking where Sequoia trees are, because it is Sequoia National Forest, isn't it!?! Well, yes, but there are no sequoia trees east of the north fork of the Kern River - ie. the Kern Plateau/Kennedy Meadows/Sherman Pass road. However, with persistance, you can keep going over Sherman Pass, down to the Johnsondale Bridge, up 7 more miles to Hwy 190, turn north 2 miles to Trail of 100 Giants.

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How about the "other confusion" -- whereby folks find Kennedy Meadows (as in the one up by the Emigrant Wilderness) and think they can find it someplace in the Kern River drainage?

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From there, it's another 2 hrs. down to Camp Nelson - the road passes several groves, but they are not marked nor is it easy to get to them.
So - if folks are in the Owens Valley area, they can get to large (20 ft) Sequoia trees in 2 hrs. but it's not the National Park. (there is a lot of logging in GSNM) And the roads are very, very wiggly!!

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Me thinks you must live somewhere near the Kennedy Meadows area? Have we met? Your knowledge of the Kern Plateau exceeds most casual visitor's expertise....

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Best fishing around in the Kern River and Fish Creek.

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I agree, that area is little-known jewel!

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Most folks just drive through and miss the pretty meadows and grand vistas! 22 meadows (not counting Kennedy) with flowers, and all are available for primitive camping.

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What are your picks for this year's spring wildflower display?

Mark

I've lived in Ridgecrest for over 40 years, taking advantage of this location to go exploring, lead field trips, etc. etc. Helps being a biologist....
I go to Kennedy Meadows on a regular basis and know most all of the locals.
As for flowers this spring - nope. Just too dry. The usual good spots like Short Canyon, Walker Pass/PCT, Sand canyons, behind the college, etc. so far have nothing, not one little blossom anywhere near a road, which is where they usually are. A few things have been reported from upper Indian Wells Canyon and from the PCT north of Walker Pass, but that's it. Sorry. Gotta have rain to have flowers, and we've gotten very little- 0.52" since last October. It's really DRY this spring. We got some more drops today, but only drops. Even the poppy preserve doesn't have more than 2 flowers. Sad. But they can wait. The bushes in our desert will bloom a little, starting in April.

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Originally Posted by jwest

I've lived in Ridgecrest for over 40 years, taking advantage of this location to go exploring, lead field trips, etc. etc. Helps being a biologist....

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Ridgecrest has really changed in the last couple of years.

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I go to Kennedy Meadows on a regular basis and know most all of the locals.

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Yeah, I have gotta get back and have another of Al's Italian sausage sandwiches at the Kennedy Meadows Chuck Wagon BBQ.

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As for flowers this spring - nope. Just too dry.

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Yeah, I agree, it is not going to be in the usual spots. There is a meadow just off Rattlesnake Creek, that will probably be the best bet -- whatever moisture comes off the upper drainage reaches there. I have seen some great color of the years in Short Canyon -- nothing like the displays in 2005 (here are some of our photos nearer to Death Valley that year)

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We got some more drops today, but only drops. Even the poppy preserve doesn't have more than 2 flowers. Sad. But they can wait. The bushes in our desert will bloom a little, starting in April.

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We got some of those drops today -- at the office in Las Vegas -- but it is going to be a long, hot and dry summer.

Mark

Hi Jwest and Editor,

I've been fixing together a route from las vegas to yosemite over two days with an over night stay. I'm hoping that on the first day we can spend a little time in death valley. Not quite decided where we'd stop off on the second day, so suggestions would be welcome.

How feasible does this sound for next week:

Las Vegas to Death Valley to Kernville (spend the night there) then north on to mountain road 99 then connecting on to Route 99 and then via fresno upto yosemite on route 41. Im hoping to see some giant Sequoias and maybe have a stop over somewhere too.

Again on yahoo maps it looks OK, it says its about 15 hours in total,
so splitting that into 4 journeys (I'm so not used to long distance driving) seems reasonable.

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Originally Posted by ssamiraa

Las Vegas to Death Valley to Kernville (spend the night there)

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OK, you are good to here. Now, stop and grab a bit of reality. Online maps, such as the one you created can easily cross the line from a "good thing" to a disaster. Looks like you really had some fun creating this route -- and I am sure it is doable, but....This is not Disneyland -- anytime you see a route suggestion offering a "mountain road" as the recommended choice -- you need to say "Whoa!" Unless you are a skilled mountain road driver, you should not drive down graded gravel/dirt roads in mountainous areas. (These roads are not actually gravel or dirt -- but they are very, very windy and require some mountain driving skills).

From Kernville, proceed west on CA-178 (down the paved highway) to Bakersfield whereupon you can go north on CA-99 to CA-198. Follow that east to Sequoia National Park and make the loop road to CA-180 and back to CA-99 to CA-41 and on to Yosemite.

The other route could be fine -- as long as you get printed, paper maps and make sure you are skilled sufficiently to travel on narrow roads. According to Janet (jwest), those roads are:

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The road down the Kern River is M99, and is usually just called the upper Kern River Road, or the Johnsondale Road... no maps have the correct markings, so it's important to try to keep them straight. :-)

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Mark

You know... I soo appreciate a reality check!

To know what the roads are really like is much appreciated. Although, I'n not inexperienced, long distances may not be my thing, but narrow mountain roads are! I've done quite a bit of driving in coastal Turkey, around the lakes in Italy and also sicily... nevertheless, it is still good to know what's what!

As we say in London "Ta, very much!"

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Originally Posted by ssamiraa

You know... I soo appreciate a reality check!

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Sometimes I have a tendency to be a little harsh -- those roads would probably be OK for you -- I have driven them all. But given your time parameters, they are not a good choice -- on parts, you can not expect to average much more than 30 mph.... Beautiful and special and but not quick! Gorgeous scenery -- so with your four day period -- you should be fine. Just be aware, that they will take some time.

Mark

I'm a bundle of nervousness and excitement as my trip starts tomorrow! So thanks for the advice and help and I'll be sure to let you know how it goes!

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Originally Posted by ssamiraa

I'm a bundle of nervousness and excitement as my trip starts tomorrow! So thanks for the advice and help and I'll be sure to let you know how it goes!

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We look forward to reading about YOUR trip is like!

Mark

haha, I'm so jealous! Have a great time, ssamiraa!

Wowzers!!

As well as picking up a whole load of American ( and not so American ) catch-phrases...we had the time of our lives!

Our road trip from Las Vegas to San Francisco was so amazing! I dont know how long it's been a dream holiday of mine, but it really did meet my expectations and go so beyond. I think it was like 20% as expected and 80% so much unexpected awe inspiring, jaw dropping beauty!

We went from Las Vegas to Death Valley to Lake Isabella to Fresno to Yosemite Valley to Monterey, Drove down and Big Sur Coastline, then from Monterey to San Francisco! Here is a link to the map we drove.

The one thing that made it even better for us, that I havent really read or noticed anyone mentioning is the sound track of the road trip so to speak! I spent just about an equal time preparing and researching the route as I did preparing my 20 or so CDs. And when the music, mood and scenery were hand in hand - man... unforgettable memoires were made that no photos or video could ever capture! So my one recommendation would be to sort your music! and take some classical and operatic tunes as well as whatever else takes your fancy!

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We went from Las Vegas to Death Valley to Lake Isabella to Fresno to Yosemite Valley to Monterey, Drove down and Big Sur Coastline, then from Monterey to San Francisco!

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So... you drove both directions (north and south) on the coast?

Mark

Yes, thats right, we first drove south to San Simeon then back up north to Monterey. I prefered driving south - We had fresh eyes and the coast was a tad nearer i guess being on the outside lane!

The Elephant seals on the beach at Piedras Blancas near San Simeon were a perfect example of seeing the unexpected! They were gorgeous!

Hi Guys,

We'll be going to California (and U.S!) for the first time next week. We've done a fair bit of reading and the posts here have been extremely helpful. Appreciate if you could provide some inputs or suggestions to our routes:

We are planning to take 580-205-120 to Yosemite. We're staying one night in Ahwahnee.

Next day, we plan to take 41-99-155, staying over at Kernville. Is it recommended to exit 99 after Fresno and 180 to the Giant Forest, and continue with 198-65-exit Porterville to 190 to Kernville? I would really love to see the Sequoias. However, is it a bit much to drive?

From Kernville, we'll be taking 178 to Death Valley. We'll be staying at Furnance Creek.

From Furnance Creek, which is the best way to Vegas? 190-373-95 or 190-179-372-160-15?

From Vegas, 15-10 is the best and shortest route?

Thanking all of you in advance.

Cheers!!

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We've done a fair bit of reading and the posts here have been extremely helpful.

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Since you added your post to this thread, hopefully you have read it and know that what you are proposing for the Yosemite to Sequoia to Kernville leg would be a very LONG day? Welcome to the Great American RoadTrip Forum!

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We're staying one night in Ahwahnee.

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It should be gorgeous next week -- you might even get to see some spring snow!

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Is it recommended to exit 99 after Fresno and 180 to the Giant Forest, and continue with 198-65-exit Porterville to 190 to Kernville? I would really love to see the Sequoias. However, is it a bit much to drive?

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It is hard to predict how much this will add to your day -- since the best way to experience the big trees is to get out of your vehicle and walk through a grove or two, but you need to figure on a 3-4 hour detour.

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We'll be staying at Furnance Creek.

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Are you staying at the Inn or the Ranch? If not the Inn, be sure to go up there for dinner and/or cocktails -- the veranda at sunset is magical.

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From Furnance Creek, which is the best way to Vegas? 190-373-95 or 190-179-372-160-15?

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Neither of these is the fastest -- the most direct route is to take CA-190 to Death Valley Junction and the turn east on State Line Road (which will change its name to Ash Meadows Road and then Bell Vista Avenue -- but it is all the same road) to NV-160. Turn south on NV-160 through Pahrump and over to I-15 and then north to Las Vegas.

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From Vegas, 15-10 is the best and shortest route?

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It depends on where you are going -- if LA is your next destination, it could be.

Mark

Hello, Angeline Blondel

From Yosemite, through Sequoia/ Kings Canyon and to Kernville will be quite a long day's drive -- probably pushing 12 hours or more. You'll be coming down out of the Sierras into the Central Valley of California, then going back up into Sequoia, then back out, and then back in to go to Kernville. There isn't any direct route through the Sierras, so this is that route there is.

My concern is in two parts -- you will be driving twisty mountain roads. The roads in general are in good shape, but they will be 2 lanes and going up and down mountains. One of the computer mapping engines I did a quick look at estimated 55 mph on one of these roads. My experience with that is "Hah!!!" -- I think I was going 35-40 at best.

Secondly, the concern is how much you can really experience the big trees and tall granite mountains of Sequoia if you're trying to zip through in a car. As Editor Mark said "You really need to get out of the car and walk through a grove" to grasp how HUGE these trees are. Simply amazing... If you can one option would be to have a picnic lunch somewhere in Sequoia, and enjoy the scenery a bit..

But the northern routes into Kernville (either 155 or 90) are going to be at least a couple of hours of more winding mountain roads once you leave Sequoia. Pretty country, but the roads will be just as windy as coming in and going out of Sequoia. If you're running late, you may be doing some of this in the dark.... The fastest route will be 155.

Hi there,

You sound as excited and as organised as i felt before we went. Had a fab time, hope you do it!

When we drove from Lake Isabella to Yosemite, we did a stop in Fresno to sort a few things out and eat. But we got to Yosemite quite late around 7.30pm to 8pm it was getting dark by then (having left Lake Isabella at around 10am) You'll have a a bit more time as the day'll be a tad longer perhaps?

The thing that kind of slowed and I'd say maybe drained us, at both ends was the very long, winding mountain-side roads, especially CA-155 from Delano to Lake Isabella- but I guess we were just really eager to move on and get to yosemite.

I'd maybe ask and see if any other route from the CA-99 is quicker, pehaps the 178 via Bakersfield (although it doesnt look it on the map) - otherwise it really is a pretty breathe taking drive.

Hi guys,

Thanks for the input. Much appreciated. The picnic lunch is a great idea. We're staying at the Ranch at Furnace Creek but will defintely check out the Inn for dinner. Am really excited about going to Yosemite. Have always wanted to visit it since watching Deputy Dawg when I was a tiny tot.

Mark, Larrison and ssamiraa - have a great weekend ahead.

Rgds

Angeline

Hi,

I'm a bit concerned about the "long day" from Yosemite to Kernville. To cut down on the driving time, and yet experience the Sequoias, what is the best route to take? Instead of "coming down out of the Sierras into the Central Valley of California, then going back up into Sequoia, then back out, and then back in to go to Kernville", could we loop into Sequoia just once instead of twice?

Rgds

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..could we loop into Sequoia just once instead of twice?

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I think you need to look at a map -- I don't quite understand the reference to going to Sequoia more than once? Unless you are thinking that the mountains to the west of Lake Isabella are part of the Sequoia National Park??? Those mountains are part of Sequoia National Forest -- but they are a few hours south of the park. I just don't understand what you are asking. Please try again.

Mark