8 days, San Diego to Boston

Hi Travellers,

I'm moving from San Diego to Boston this August and am seizing the opportunity to take my first cross-country road trip. I have 8 days to get across. My friend's coming along for the ride.

Given my time frame, are byways & two-lane highways still an option, or will I need to stick to interstates? Do interstates mean missing out on the best of the experience of the open road?

Some have suggested the south-westerly portions of Route 66 would be beastly hot, and strongly urge us to take a more northern route. But isn't pretty much the whole middle of the country blazing hot and sticky in summer? Would you guys recommend avoiding any particular states or regions in summer?

The truth is, I'd like to see the whole country, so I'm torn about which route to choose. Especially with only 8 days, and no idea when my next chance to do this kind of thing is coming. I'd love some input on which route to take. Is there one that's more "don't miss!" than another? I want to get the maximum fun and experience out of my 8 days.

Thank you all for any guidance, advice or gentle reality checks you can offer!

-KG

Welcome aboard the RoadTrip America forum.

You can easily cross the country in 8 days, and take quite a few non-interstates in the process. You also have a choice of a number of different routes by which to accomplish the journey, but they don't differ all that much in the number of miles required. The three basic choices are:

I-90 to Chicago, I-80 to western Nebraska, I-76 to Denver, I-70 to Utah, I-15 to San Diego (3058 miles)

I-84 to New York, I-78/I-81 to Harrisburg, I-70 to St. Louis, I-44/I-40 to Flagstaff, I-17/I-8 to San Diego (3027 miles)

I-84 to New York, I-95 to DC, I-66/I-81 to Knoxville, I-40 to Little Rock, I-30 to Dallas, I-20/I-10 to Tucson, I-8 to San Diego (3144 miles)

To cover any of those basic routes (and you can also mix and match portions of more than 1) would only require you to drive about 400 miles a day which, especially with 2 drivers, is a very relaxed pace and allows for quite a bit of sightseeing along the way. You will have to pick sights relatively close to the interstates and keep your backroading to roads that parallel the main route and don't go through large cities, but those are not major restrictions. So get a good paper map or atlas of the US and look at each of those routes with your friend. See what along each you feel that you must see - it's your trip after all. Once you've got a basic route and a few stops in mind, then we can get down to details like particular scenic byways or smaller scale stops.

As far as August in the desert southwest goes, I can't recommend it. I'm a New Englander at heart, and in August here in Tucson, it's typically over 100 every day with an afternoon mugginess building to the inevitable evening thunder showers. On the other hand, there are fewer people, and almost no tourists, around.

AZBuck

Hi AZBuck,

Thanks for the welcoming, and the detailed, informative reply, especially the route breakdowns with exact mileage.

Coming from San Diego's mild weather, I may be in for some weather shock just about anywhere I go. What part of New England are you from? How hot would you say Boston summers get?

Early next week I'll sit down with my friend and an atlas and we'll take a good look at the options. I'll post the info once we choose a basic route and select some stops.

Thanks for your help!
KG

Hi! Well it took closer to a month than a week for me and my friend to find a time when we were both free to start planing our upcoming trip.

We're thinking of driving through Las Vegs, maybe stopping for lunch and a quick look around, and reaching Utah by night. We'd like to spend a day in Utah in Bryce Canyon National Park. Which means we may not have much play time for the rest of the trip.

We'd like to drive by Salt Lake City, just to see Salt Lake. From there we're not sure. We could drive into Colorado, or up through a bit of southern Wyoming. I have a hankering to see Wyoming so I'm probably leaning toward that route. If we go through Wyoming, we'd drive through Nebraska to Iowa. If we go through Colorado, we'll drive through Kansas. Then drive on to Iowa, to visit my co-road tripper's friend, stopping for the night. Then on to Chicago, where we'd like to spend an afternoon (time permitting) and stay the night. Possibly stop in Indiana to see some friends.

Then drive to Niagra Falls and possibly Toronto. We may stop in Rochester, NY to visit some friends of mine. We haven't firmed up the NY to Boston segment yet.

How feasible is the Chicago-Niagra Falls-Toronto-Rochester idea? How long does it take to get from point to point? How long do you think we should allow for Niagra Falls? We have 8 days total to get from San Diego to Boston. We realize that spending a whole day in Colorado may leave us little time to sight-see at Niagra Falls. How long do you think we'd need to get the Niagra Falls experience?

Also, any suggestions on cool things to do and see given our short time. Especially, the best use of an evening (and afternoon) in Chicago. Since that city has so much to offer, and neither of us has ever been, we're not sure where to begin.

We've checked a couple guide books out of the library, but if anyone has any firsthand suggestions or experiences regarding fun things to do, see, and cheap places to stay, that'd be welcome information, as well. (We're on a pretty tight budget.)

Thanks again!

Keren/Road Runner

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We're thinking of driving through Las Vegs, maybe stopping for lunch and a quick look around, and reaching Utah by night. We'd like to spend a day in Utah in Bryce Canyon National Park. Which means we may not have much play time for the rest of the trip.

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That should be very feasable. And on your schedule, Bryce Canyon shouldn't hurt the rest of your schedule that much.

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We'd like to drive by Salt Lake City, just to see Salt Lake. From there we're not sure. We could drive into Colorado, or up through a bit of southern Wyoming. I have a hankering to see Wyoming so I'm probably leaning toward that route.

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If you go via Salt Lake, I would highly recommend continuing on I-80 through Wyoming. Going through Colorado would require some significant backtracking to the south, so it looks like your hankerin will serve you well.

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If we go through Colorado, we'll drive through Kansas. Then drive on to Iowa, to visit my co-road tripper's friend, stopping for the night.

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If you do decide to take the Colorado route, I would recommend cutting up to Nebraska via I-76 instead of going through Kansas. It will save you quite a bit of time if you want to visit Chicago on your trip.

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How feasible is the Chicago-Niagra Falls-Toronto-Rochester idea? How long does it take to get from point to point? How long do you think we should allow for Niagra Falls?

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Its a perfectly feasable idea. I'd probably go to Toronto before Niagra Falls though. Chicago to Toronto is about 500 miles, so its a good long drive, but very doable in one day. Just remember to bring your drivers license AND birth certificate or a passport for crossing the border.

I'd alot at least a couple of hours at Niagra Falls. Its a tourist zoo, so even taking just a quick stop ends up taking more time than you might expect.

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Especially, the best use of an evening (and afternoon) in Chicago. Since that city has so much to offer, and neither of us has ever been, we're not sure where to begin.

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I'd probably say take a trip to the top of either the Sears Tower of the Hancock Building, and maybe take a stroll through one of the city's many world class museums. But really, there are so many options is can be very hard to narrow them down on a quick trip.

Thanks for the great info, Michael.

If we end up skipping Salt Lake, and stay in southern Utah, would Colorado make more sense? If we go straight from Bryce, what would be a good route through Colorado? We've heard it's a beautiful state. We're still looking at our options right now, which is why I ask. Of course, I imagine Wyoming is beautiful too. So hard to choose.

How difficult is mountain driving? My car is a stick shift, a small Honda Civic.

What would be a good place to stop in Wyoming/along Route 80? Would it make sense to spend a night there, or just drive right through stopping only for a meal? Are there any particular small towns you'd recommend checking out? I really wanna get the flavor of local life, the mom and pop shops, the local honky tonk, etc. If we wanted to spend half a day somewhere in Wyoming, do you think it would still leave us enough time for the half-day in Niagra and half-day in Chicago? And is Cheyenne a must see?

If we go to Toronto first (from Chicago), how many miles/hours from Toronto to Niagra Falls? And do you recommend the American or Canadian side of the falls?

Finally, can you recommend a good place to spend our evening in Chicago? A great jazz club, or other uniquely Chicago kind of spot?

Thanks so much for your ideas and advice!

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If we go straight from Bryce, what would be a good route through Colorado?

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For some thoughts on things to do while crossing Colorado from the southwest to Denver, check the second half of this post.

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How difficult is mountain driving?

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It's really not that bad. There are a few more things to keep in mind, especially with a stick shift. Don't lug the engine on climbs, and keep your speed down on the descents. Both entail keeping the car in a lower gear than you might be used to. But, in general, I find mountain driving more fun than a headache.

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Originally Posted by Road Runner

What would be a good place to stop in Wyoming/along Route 80?

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With all the other stops you have planned, including Las Vegas, Salt Lake, Colorado (somewhere), Iowa, Chicago, Niagara Falls, and Toronto, you're really going to have to start to limit yourself if you really plan to get from San Diego to Boston in only 8 days. You can get the flavor of anywhere in the country, by getting off the Interstates and away from the exit businesses. Drive into any small town, find the local eatery, talk to your waitress, and walk around afterwards. Just keep your eyes and ears and yourself open to the experience.

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How many miles/hours from Toronto to Niagra Falls? And do you recommend the American or Canadian side of the falls?

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Toronto to Niagara Falls is only about 80 miles along good roads. If you're continuing on to Boston, you'll have to cross the Niagara River, so you might as well take the little extra time and see the falls from both sides and make your own decision.

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Finally, can you recommend a good place to spend our evening in Chicago? A great jazz club, or other uniquely Chicago kind of spot?

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To be honest, while I know Chicago is famous for its jazz clubs, what leaps to my mind as uniquely Chicago is not jazz but comedy. Chicago is home to the Second City which has produced such comics as Joan Rivers, John and Jim Belushi, Stephen Colbert, Steve Carell, Chris Farley, Mary Gross, Bonnie Hunt, George Wendt, Shelley Long, and many others. The list is pretty impressive.

AZBuck

Hi RoadRunner!

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How hot would you say Boston summers get?

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It's always kind of tricky to answer a question about the weather. Presently, the north east is experiencing a heat wave and the temps are way over the usual average for this time of the year (any time of the year). Let's say it can be anywhere between 70 and 100 degrees and it can be sunny, foggy, rainy, humid, etc.

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And do you recommend the American or Canadian side of the falls?

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If I'd have to choose bewtween the two, I definitely give my vote to the Canadian side.

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Finally, can you recommend a good place to spend our evening in Chicago? A great jazz club,

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The first jazz club that I can think of on the top of my head is the very famous Green Mill.

Have a great trip!
Gen

I have driven from Toronto to Niagara Falls a few years back. I dont remember how much time it took to get there, but the drive was very nice. My vote goes for the Canadian Side of the Falls as that is where the majority of the falls is located. Going back to Toronto, if one wants to visit an interesting part of town, make sure to hit Queen Street. Its similar to a fashion district in any major city. There are electric trolleys that run bothways down the center of the four lane road(interesting driving during rush hour traffic especially with a huge american car from the late 60's, like I had when I was there for a day). There are also hundreds of little shops, resturants, and tourist trap things to see along that street.

You will need your birth certificate and passport to get into and out of Canada. I doubt if you will be required to show either one to the customs folks. I wasnt asked for either when I went through about three weeks ago. I had both in plain sight on the dash of my truck, that might of helped me out too. I try to avoid border crossings at major cities as these can be a real headache to get through. Answer the questions from the Customs Officers with short and precise answers and be ready to explain why you are crossing into Canada and for how long. Be as accurate as you can be with both of those questions. I have found that the majority of the officers are friendly and helpful if you ask for directions to certain landmarks or the best way to get to a certain road. But ask these things after they have waved you through as they have their job to do first and foremost.

Above all else have fun and watch out for parking in Canada as I found out that many public looking lots are not so public. Thats a topic for another discussion though. Enjoy the trip it sounds like fun so far.

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Originally Posted by galaxie50059

IYou will need your birth certificate and passport to get into and out of Canada. I doubt if you will be required to show either one to the customs folks.

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Actually, you just need one or the other. A passport is preferred (and will be required in 2008) but for now a birth certificate or Voter ID card and a photo ID will suffice.

I would also be very suprised if you were not asked for such documents. I honestly can't think of a single time I wasn't asked for one or the other, and while you'll probably still be let through if you don't have them, they have every right to refuse entry.

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Above all else have fun and watch out for parking in Canada as I found out that many public looking lots are not so public.

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I've had a similar experience. I was parked in a Toronto parking garage, where it said something like $8 for the first hour and $4 for each additional, I put my money in the machine to pay for 3 hours of parking, and for some reason it only gave me a reciept good for 2 hours of parking. When I came back to the car, sure enough I had a parking ticket.

However, I did get out of it since the meter maid was less than observant. He/She marked down my license plate as being from Ontario on the ticket, so needless to say, I never sent in a check.

Even more odd, its not the first time that's happened. I can only think of 5 times total where I've gotten a parking ticket, and 3 of those times my plate was written down as being from the wrong state!

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Originally Posted by galaxie50059

You will need your birth certificate and passport to get into and out of Canada. I doubt if you will be required to show either one to the customs folks. I wasnt asked for either when I went through about three weeks ago. I had both in plain sight on the dash of my truck, that might of helped me out too. I try to avoid border crossings at major cities as these can be a real headache to get through

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Originally Posted by Midwest Michael

Actually, you just need one or the other. A passport is preferred (and will be required in 2008) but for now a birth certificate or Voter ID card and a photo ID will suffice.

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I have to agree with Michael on this one. Nowadays I cross the border back and forth at least once a week and there wasn't a single time where they didn't ask me for ID. They might not ask for it when you'll cross to Canada but they'll do for sure when you get back to the US. I live a couple of miles north of the border and I can assure you that it has always been that way since 9/11.

Custom agents will most likely ask you where you were born and ask for a photo ID. I don't know about voter ID cards since we don't have those in Canada, but a simple driver's licence or a medic aid card issued by the government will usually do the job...at least until 2008 like Michael pointed!

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Originally Posted by galaxie50059

watch out for parking in Canada as I found out that many public looking lots are not so public

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Hum, I don't get that one! I've travelled throughout Canada and the US, in the country, suburbs and cities and I never really noticed a difference. Parking can be pretty tricky in bigger cities such as Montreal and Toronto, but so is it in Boston, NYC and New Orleans. There is no secret I guess except read the signs carefully!:o)

Gen

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Originally Posted by Gen

Custom agents will most likely ask you where you were born and ask for a photo ID. I don't know about voter ID cards since we don't have those in Canada, but a simple driver's licence or a medic aid card issued by the government will usually do the job...at least until 2008 like Michael pointed!

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I actually didn't know about the Voter ID rule until I was told at the border that it was acceptable as proof of citizenship. Of course, it makes sense because you have to be a citizen to vote.

I'm guessing you have to be a Canadian Citizen to get a medic aid card?

As an American, a Social Security card is NOT acceptable as proof of citizenship because non-citizens also need them to work in the US.

I am glad to see I am not the only one who had parking issues in Canada. I was beginning to feel like the lone ranger there. The parking enforcer was way more that accurate with my vehicles and I wound up having to pay for one ticket. I pleaded ignorance and asked for mercy on the other ticket and the guy let it go.

I think the not being asked to show the passport/birthcertificate stuff is because they were in plain sight on the dash of the vehicle I was driving at the time. Each time I have been to Canada it has been for job related things, so that might have some bearing on it. I have been told that certain customs officers dont ask for paperwork if its visibly available or unless they suspect something is a little funny, i.e. funny smell from the vehicle, expired tags, or evasiness in answering questions, etc. I do suspect that this will change as border security tightens up in the next few months. I did have the truck searched once at a small border crossing. They asked about weapons and I informed them where they would find my hunting knife and pistol. The officers never even opened the case where both items where stored. I think that maybe because it was locked(I told them the keys for that case was in the ash tray if they wanted to look) and I was honest with them about what I had with me. It could be that they just didnt care either, now might be a little different, so neither item is in the truck when I cross into Canada.

The other thing that I want to mention is that the cost of gas is higher in Canada than it is here in the States. I dont know by how much(I wasnt concerned with that as my truck had a sufficient amount to get me to and from my destination). One will find that lots of other stuff in Canada is pricier too.

Hey everyone,

Thanks for your feedback. There's nothing like asking folks who've done it. I'll keep in touch and we focus in and soidify a route. I appreciate everyone's help and advice!

Keren

Hi Guys,

We have a rough working itinerary, with room for fine tuning. My friend who'll be driving with me came up with this itinerary while I deal with move-preparation insanity. Her driving times are from yahoomaps.com. Does this itinerary seem realistic?

If anyone can recommend a nice little town in Wyoming to stop in for lunch or a meal, let me know. Or something we should drive by and see. Sadly, we won't have time to see Yellowstone, I don' think. Another time, hopefully.

Here's our rough itinerary:
8/12: Leave San Diego. Drive to Las Vegas (4.5 hrs), stop for a bit for lunch & play, drive to Panguitch, Utah (near Bryce, 4.5 hrs)

Sun 8/13: Bryce Canyon most of the day. Maybe stay 2 nights in Panguitch? , then head part of the way to Salt Lake City in the late afternoon/evening (it's almost 4 hrs to SLC, I'd guess we could do about 2-3 hrs of driving and get close)

Mon 8/14: Drive to Salt Lake City (4 hrs), hang out awhile, then drive into southern Wyoming, flaming gorge area (2 hrs)

Tue 8/15: Maybe explore Flaming Gorge area? or random cowboy Wyoming things along the way to Cheyenne (4.5 hrs) or past if we want to keep driving.

Wed 8/16: Long drive day to Iowa maybe? About 10 hrs to Iowa City, and we can stay with my friend there. If Nebraska is as boring as we hear it is, we might be happy enough to do that.

Thurs 8/17: To Chicago (3 hrs from Iowa City). Spend the rest of the day playing there. Maybe head to Renssealear, Indiana (spelling??), where my friend lives, to spend the night. (Free palce to stay, and it'd be nice to see this friend.) ~1.5 hrs from Chicago

Fri 8/18: To Toronto, or to Niagra Falls. (8 hrs from Chicago, 8.5 hrs from Rennselaer, IN) (Might be good to book a hotel there too - a Friday night near Niagara Falls during the summer could be busy.)

Sat 8/19: Niagara Falls play day most of the day, then drive a few hours somewhere towards Boston, stopping on the way in Rochester, NY to meet up with friend, for breakfast or lunch.

Sun 8/20: Drive the rest of the way to Boston. Arrive in the afternoon.


I think it makes the most sense to do Nigra Falls before Toronoto, since Niagra Falls is south/west of Toronoto, so we'll hit it first as we drive east. We may not have tie for Toronto, but can keep it as an option if we are making good time.

Thanks for your input!

Keren

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Originally Posted by Road Runner

I think it makes the most sense to do Nigra Falls before Toronoto, since Niagra Falls is south/west of Toronoto, so we'll hit it first as we drive east. We may not have tie for Toronto, but can keep it as an option if we are making good time.

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Actually, it would make a lot more sense to go to Toronto first, if you are going to be seeing both. The Falls are a good hour drive out of the way on the direct route from Chicago to Toronto. However, The direct route from Toronto to Rochester goes right through Niagara. You would probably have more/cheaper lodging options around Toronto.

But I think you may be pushing things a bit to try and fit both areas into one day.

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Originally Posted by Midwest Michael

Actually, it would make a lot more sense to go to Toronto first, if you are going to be seeing both. The Falls are a good hour drive out of the way on the direct route from Chicago to Toronto. However, The direct route from Toronto to Rochester goes right through Niagara. You would probably have more/cheaper lodging options around Toronto.

But I think you may be pushing things a bit to try and fit both areas into one day.

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Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.

Hi All,

I'm on day 3 of my road trip. Utah has been amazingly beautiful. Tomorrow we drive through Wyoming, along route 80. Any suggestions for brief excursions through scenic routes? Cute towns to stop in? Authentic local eateries/diners/saloons to stop into? And does anyone know of any rodeos going on now in towns along that southern route?

Also, anyone know of any drive-in movie theaters around Nebraska?

Thanks,
Keren

Glad to hear you're having a good trip!

According to a cursory search, in Nebraska:

Sand Hills Drive-in, Alliance
2617 County Route 57

Kearney Drive-In Theatre
End of East 28th Street, Kearney, NE

Starlite Drive-In Theatre
Hwy. 275 E, Neligh

Thanks for the info, Tim! Way to to rise to the occasion! Unfortunately, due to the irregularity of internet access while on the road, I posted that request but was subsequently unable to actually check responses untill tonight, where I currently am, in Iowa. We're driving to Chicago tomorrow, hopefully via some caves at the eastern edge of Iowa tomorrow morning. So we may have to find our drive in movie somewhere east of Iowa. We still need to work out the route we'll take from Chicago to Boston. We've had to readjust our plans, after spending more time in Utah than anticipated, and generally moving slower in the morning than we'd assumed we'd be able to. B\We'll have to cut out Niagra Falls, Toronoto, and our side trip to visit friends in Indiana. Oh well, we've enjoyed what we've seen, especially Utah and Wyoming.

Thanks, again.

Happy travelling!

Keren