Visual Aid might be helpful
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Originally Posted by Delbon
and being completely new to this part of America I accepted that Moab was at or near Bryce
Del, What I would recommend at this point is that you get a hold of a map, (either by purchase) or a free one online or at the library and look at the area we are describing as you are reading these posts. The distances we describing are akin to driving back and forth accross England several times and you might find our commentary more helpful if you were using a good map as a visual aid.
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Thank you for your very detailed recommendations if we wished to stay over night prior to our visit to the South Rim from Vegas is there anywhere you would recommend
I would recommend either staying at Kingman or Wiliams, Arizona.
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- we could then stay at El Tovar at the Canyon
, Excellent and I still think you should spend two nights here, but anyway,
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Rubys in Bryce and say Cliffrose lodge at Zion
both are more expensive than they ought to be and there are other options in the area. For about half the cost and twice the scenery you could stay at the Bryce Valley Inn in Tropic and have a great breakfast next door. This field report could be a good primer for your planning purposes.
Mark
Your trip sounds familiar
How exciting! I just came across your postings. Your trip sounds very familiar to me. You see, I'll be traveling to Las Vegas at the end of April 2007 for a friends wedding. I plan to take 2 extra days or so and drive to the Grand Canyon with a stop at the Hoover Dam. It will be the first time for me as well. I really enjoyed all the advice you've gathered so far and now I have some more ideas of where to stay and what to do. I will try to remember to check back here and let you know if I come across any other interesting information.
I noticed you were considering including Zion or Moab into your trip. I have been to Moab and it is a great place to see. But, because of the distance (and I freely admit that, overall, I am not very familiar with that part of the country) you would probably have to cut short your visit to somewhere else to get there. With all that driving, I would recommend keeping the driving to a minimum and allow yourselves to have the extra time at the places you do choose to visit.
Tonya
i did a portion of your planned trip in May 2005
I did this route last spring. It was an AMAZING trip. We spent 3 nights in Vegas then went to the Grand Canyon (south rim)--i don't have the routes we took in front of me, but its been posted previously.
Don't miss a stop at the Hoover dam. It was great. The visitors center has a wonderful movie/informational talk/and tour. It is great.
We did the drive from vegas to the GC i(south rim) in one day and got in early evening. El Tovar is amazing--we could not get reservations there, so make sure you have made those(Xanterra is the company that handles all in park reservations. Also do a google search for grand canyon national park search--that website has alot of info re:planning a trip to the park. Once in the park the rangers and hotel staff were very helpful)
We stayed in the park and i would highly recommend it. Once we parked the car we used the transportation in the park to get to where we needed to go...but since you are right on the rim at the El Tovar you are going to have a great view. Make sure you see sunrise over the canyon. If you want to hike there are plenty of rim hikes to take, but even the car lookout points are quite amazing.
After two nights at the GC we went out thru the east entrance--nice way out of the park--it gave a different perspective. I do recall gas/petrol stations being very few and far between...so we filled up prior to entering the park and then leaving out the east entrance it was awhile before we saw another one...don't run too low in this area.)
From the GC we went to Zion. We stayed at the Majestic View Lodge--it was a beautiful place. All the rooms had balconies and the red rock was visible.
If you want to check out other reviews of the hotels check out tripadvisor.com ---that is where I found the Majestic View Lodge and it was wonderful. Great restaurant on premises too.
We did not go to bryce so i cannot give you any info on that. Instead we went to a spa in St. George, Utah (Red Mountain Spa) and then flew home. if anyone is interested in that info..let me know.
Alternatives for weather.
A couple thoughts on availability and routing, spurred by the thought that March is awfully close to Winter at some altitudes. There's a lot of good news after research, but its worth spending some time being aware.
After some checking, the good news is that except for GCNP-North Rim, the other parks, Zion (but could be icy), Bryce, and the South Rim, (see tab from the north rim listing) are open year-round, barring any recent snows not fully cleared.
Note of caution however, everything I can see (1, 2) says Cottonwood Canyon Road is a dirt road, and recommended for 4-wheel drives during the winter. Car rental policy is likely to prohibit driving on such a surface.
An alternative is to stay on US-89 after getting into Utah from the GC. About 60+ miles West is Kanab, where you can inquire about road conditions to Zion and Bryce. Although Zion is closer (via Utah-9) at that point, parts of it may be least accessble. I recall in 2003 it was closed until sometime in May because of unusually heavy snow the prior winter. Zion has two sections, not connected within the park itself -- that is you can drive through one section for some amazing visual memories from the road. The other section has a visitors center and a number of trails/tracks. Still you should be able to biew at least some of it.
Bryce is further North via US-89 and Utah-12 towards Bryce. If you have the time, you can go further East on Utah-12 from Bryce and touch the Northern reaches of Grand Staircase-Escelante then doubling back on Old-Escelante Road. If you want a different route back, you could try US-89 N, Utah-20, and I-15 back down to Utah-9 (for Zion) or continue on to L.V.
In all cases its worth checking locally at time of travel to be sure of the road conditions, and of course defer to anyone who's travelled in these parks during that time of year.
A few other notes:
Watch your fuel level. While most parks have a village nearby with filling stations, there are no fuel facilities for cars within the parks .
Daylight Savings Time begins March 11, in 2007, due to recent national legislation. A timezone runs roughly along the Eastern Nevada and California borders. Arizona doesn't participate, so after March 11, when the most Western states "spring forward" Arizona's time will be synched with theirs. Utah, however does particpate, always remaining an hour ahead of them.
The attraction (is supposed to) open in March, 2007
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JasonB1971
How rough is that road from Dolan Springs? (Pierce Ferry Rd I think is the name)
Pierce Ferry Road is paved from US-93 to the Diamond Bar Road junction. You will need to travel on Diamond Bar Road to the Grand Canyon West. It is a graded, gravel road -- a bit bumpy, but not a problem for any car. However, all rental agreements preclude travel off-pavement!
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What about the road from Grand Canyon West to Peach Springs?
The Buck and Doe road is a jeep trail -- I wouldn't do it a car and you would need the permission of the Hualapai nation to try it.
Mark
